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General Category => Feature Requests => Topic started by: samardac on January 19, 2016, 05:38:38 pm
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0. Add pleas Set-Restore tools for: Toggle Grid Visibility, Toggle Workplane Visibility, Lock/Unlock Workplane$
1. Now you can Set Navigation Space only if workplane is locked can you pleas make it possible to set it not only when workplane is locked. For example I want to have workplane set and set Navigation Space for it, I do not want to lock it.
2. Add pleas option to View -> Object Shading -> Preview on Viewport Navigation -> Hide Workplane/Grid/Axis* on Preview
(*About Axis read in the end of this post)
3. Make pleas NVil to remember Grid Visibility now if you create new project, start NVil or load project it always turn On Grid.
4. Add pleas option - Set Navigation Space (World) In 3D view.
So if current navigation space is set to Workplane and this option is On, in 3D view we will always have Navigation Space (World).
We need it to work in 3D in World Space and in all other views in Workplane Space. It is very good workflow because sometimes it is very hard to work in 3D view when you have Navigation Space set to WorkPlane. With some models it is very confused when everything turns Up Side down and you can not dig in to how to rotate all this stuff correctly :)
5. Add pleas option - Inactive Views work in Preview mode. So if this option is ON Inactive Views will work like if you turn On Preview on viewport Navigating. It will allow us to interactively preview model and save some pc resources by hiding edges etc...
6. Now if you start Nvil or Reset view you have ZY as active plane (It is Workplane to show what I mean):
(https://monosnap.com/file/FiakHrJR5o1PaiZ1DUNzAx9P36GdxZ.png)
Can you pleas shift a bit Camera to have ZX active plane in those situations so it will look like like this:
(https://monosnap.com/file/8Q5icGSxCGI84OjEG5jYZIHS9ryrxc.png)
7. Add pleas to Preference -> Grid -> Show Axis. It will look like this:
(https://monosnap.com/file/FG4KtxChR1gaQCMpf6iag1fGyYMi1b.png)
We need it because if you have Workplane and grid visible at the same time viewport become very messy, but if we turn off grid it become a bit harder to orientate, so we need something to easily see were we are. And this axis will be very good for this. I take this idea from Sketch Up and it works really great.
We have some free space in Preference -> Grid. So you can add here:
Option Show/Hide axis
3 Colors picker for x/y/z
Opacity Picker
Axis Width.
Also as I wrote before we have to have it here:
View -> Object Shading -> Preview on Viewport Navigation -> Hide Workplane/Grid/Axis
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Hay IStonia, I need this 3 simple options. Make them pleas before you will make previous requests in this topic, many thanks!
8. Drop/Relaunch SL tool disabled when you run it second time.
So if you have active SL tool and run it again it will be not dropped or relaunched, it will do just nothing.
9. Now if you have Swap REPEAT LAST STEP with REPLACE SELECTION ON and SL tool is ON and you click on subobject NVil just creates Replace selection. Can you pleas disable it. So it will be possible to highlight subobjects but imposible to select them. To make selection you will press and hold Shift(Include selction) or Ctrl+Shift(Replace). We need beacause very often when when you work with highlighted subobject you select them accidentally when you do not need it.
If you think that it is not good idea to change current behavior make pleas just option for this pleas, many thanks!
10. Now when SL tool is ON and you want to go to another object without living current Subobject mode by going with cursor above another object and Press LMB and hold than RMB it does not work. Make it pleas work pleas!
Thank you!
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8. Drop/Relaunch SL tool disabled when you run it second time.
So if you have active SL tool and run it again it will be not dropped or relaunched, it will do just nothing.
What is the reason you want this option?
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The reason is that I try to find best way to make NVil work with buttons and SL tools in harmony.
I spend so many, many time experimenting with all stuff we have and still do not satisfied with results.
Now NVil is the best for shortcuts but with buttons it is not so good.
So looks like I found best workflow to solve this conceptual problem :)
It have to look like this:
- All SL tools are in - Allow taped to stay Live mode.
- Swap REPEAT LAST STEP with SELECT AT POINT - ON
- You can not drop tool, you can only switch it to another. (This is the reason I asked for that option)
- There will be no Viewport SL Tool or Viewport Selection mode (What is by default), you will make selection when SL tool is on.
So you activate SL tool make selection inside it do something, then switch to another SL tool etc...
This workflow works good as with Buttons as with Shortcuts because you will have the same behavior whenether you launch it from Shortcut or Button and at the same time you will be able to make selection inside SL Tools without living it. It will cost you practically the same amount of clicks as if you would use default conception with Selection Mode and Activating SL tools by pressing and holding Hotkeys.
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http://www.digitalfossils.com/Download/NVil-Jan-23-16.rar
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* Edit > Customize > Tools > Set-Restore Tools > R_Turn On/Turn Off/Restore Grid Visible.
* Edit > Customize > Tools > Set-Restore Tools > R_Turn On/Turn Off/Restore Workplane Visible.
* Edit > Customize > Tools > Set-Restore Tools > R_Lock/Unlock Workplane, R_Restore Workplane Locked.
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Done.
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* View > Object Shading > Preview On Viewport Navigating > Hide Grid On Viewport Navigating.
* View > Object Shading > Preview On Viewport Navigating > Hide Grid Axis On Viewport Navigating.
* View > Object Shading > Preview On Viewport Navigating > Hide Workplane On Viewport Navigating.
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Done.
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* View > Use World Y-Axis In 3D-Viewport Rotation.
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* View > Object Shading > Preview On Viewport Navigating > Preview In Inactive Viewport Enable.
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Done.
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* View > Display > Show Grid Axis.
* Edit > Preference > General > Grid axis width.
* Edit > Preference > Colors > Grid Axis > ...
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I still don't understand. Do you want this option only for SL tools launched from buttons? If you don't want to drop a SL tool, you don't have to drop it, you can just launch another tool. You can't keep a SL tool live all the time as some tools only valid for some certain modes.
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Modified.
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You should be able to do that if you press a selection key(Shift etc) then LMB + RMB.
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I still don't understand. Do you want this option only for SL tools launched from buttons? If you don't want to drop a SL tool, you don't have to drop it, you can just launch another tool. You can't keep a SL tool live all the time as some tools only valid for some certain modes.
Now:
1. You activated SL tool and it Stay Live
2. You activated it again with Shortcut or Button this SL tool will be dropped.
Have to be:
1. You activated SL tool and it Stay Live
2. You activated it again with Shortcut or Button this SL tool will not be dropped.
Let me know if it is not clear, I'll make more explanations.
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I still don't understand. Do you want this option only for SL tools launched from buttons? If you don't want to drop a SL tool, you don't have to drop it, you can just launch another tool. You can't keep a SL tool live all the time as some tools only valid for some certain modes.
Now:
1. You activated SL tool and it Stay Live
2. You activated it again with Shortcut or Button this SL tool will be dropped.
Have to be:
1. You activated SL tool and it Stay Live
2. You activated it again with Shortcut or Button this SL tool will not be dropped.
Let me know if it is not clear, I'll make more explanations.
My questions is
If you don't want to drop a SL tool, you don't have to drop it, you can just launch another tool. You can't keep a SL tool live all the time as some tools only valid for some certain modes.
What is your opinion about this?
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You can't keep a SL tool live all the time as some tools only valid for some certain modes
Yep I know about this but this is not a problem, if you change Selection Mode, tool will just not work, but you will see that tool is ON and you will change it if you need, the only problem I have now is with Extrude and I wanted to ask you to look at it so if you change Selection mode it will still work.
I just work with all tools set to Allow taped to stay Live mode ON and very often I relaunch tools accidentally and it drops me to viewport Selection Mode or Viewport SL tool I do not need it because Selection tools works differently here. This is a main reasons :) . If you do not share my point of view can you pleas make this option just for me, so I could go further with my experiments because looks like I practically solve this problem. :)
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Hay IStonia! Many thanks for all stuff I continue to explore all that new possibilities they are so awaysome!
Some things I want to mention:
1. Can you pleas make Axis to look exactly like here:
(https://monosnap.com/file/FG4KtxChR1gaQCMpf6iag1fGyYMi1b.png)
Now Axis have 6 rays but we need only 3 because it looks too messy in viewport. Also it with dotted line but we need just line that will lay above grid and workplane.
2. Add pleas commands to set workplane to World Axis Planes - XY, YZ, ZX.
3. Now if objects lay under Grid or Workplane or Axis they overlay objects, so you see objects under Grid or Workplane Or Axis.
And it looks like this:
(https://monosnap.com/file/ZRBusI9Xb87f1HTpw0D1CF8KosRtkZ.png)
Would be great to have Grid, Workplane Or Axis to be transparent when they are above objects. And no metter if object is transparent or not.
Like this:
(https://monosnap.com/file/45ryjxsngoyWVnQZzGA24L7yukfPhi.png)
Here object lay under grid and axis but grid and axis are transparent and you can see object clearly.
4. Now if you have Show Unselected objects in transparent ON, or any other transparent objects, you can see Grid, Workplane through these unselected objects. (Axis work good) It looks like this(Objects above grid):
(https://monosnap.com/file/ncZEfdReUIjnjTy77PD3U1y9leICxP.png)
Would be great not to see through them Grid, Workplane, Axis at all. So it will be transparent only for objects. And looks like this(Objects above grid):
(https://monosnap.com/file/gHwYK3P8ue28rhRCXJhefEHkDNMwqT.png)
Summary,
Objects must always overlay Grid, Workplane, Axis, even if they under them or even if objects are transparent.
4. Perpendicular to workplane. Make it pleas work in Ortho Top view? Now it works in Perspective 3D.
We need it in 99% in ortho but now you have to enable/disable Ortho manually. Also it have to Reset Camera UP-Vector automatically when you leave Orhto Top.
5. We have to move it:
(https://monosnap.com/file/GKICvuScwVkpIy8Js20j4zoP2mrW2J.png)
to View -> Object Shading -> Preview on Viewport Navigation.
Also now manipulator visible when you have Preview In Inactive Viewport Enable ON.
Many thanks!
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http://www.digitalfossils.com/Download/NVil-Jan-24-16.rar
* Edit > Options > Dropping StreamLine Tool By Hotkey/Button Disabled.
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Done.
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* Edit > View > Display > Render Grid Behind Objects.
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* View > Object Shading > Preview On Viewport Navigating > Hide Manipulator On Viewport Navigating.
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Many thanks!!!
1. Done.
Now Grid Axis is always in fron of objects. Fix it pleas. So when it is in front it will be shown in front when it is behind it will shown behind.
* Edit > View > Display > Render Grid Behind Objects.
For now it works really nice but it does not work with transparent objects may be when you make item #4 it will fix it.
* Edit > Options > Dropping StreamLine Tool By Hotkey/Button Disabled
Event Actions stop to work in SL tools when it is ON.
10. You should be able to do that if you press a selection key(Shift etc) then LMB + RMB.
Now it fires on RMB UP but have to fire on RMB Down.
Also sometimes after this operation LMB is not released it stay down.
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5. * View > Object Shading > Preview On Viewport Navigating > Hide Manipulator On Viewport Navigating.
When View > Object Shading > Preview On viewport Navigating > Preview Enabled is OFF only Show Hard Edges on Preview and Unselected object in transparent disabled on preview works, all other continue to work as if Preview Enabled is On.
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http://www.digitalfossils.com/Download/NVil-Jan-24-16.rar
* Edit > Workplane > Align to World XY/YZ/ZX.
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5. * View > Object Shading > Preview On Viewport Navigating > Hide Manipulator On Viewport Navigating.
When View > Object Shading > Preview On viewport Navigating > Preview Enabled is OFF only Show Hard Edges on Preview and Unselected object in transparent disabled on preview works, all other continue to work as if Preview Enabled is On.
Can you show it in a picture and specify what is the current behavior and what is your expectation.
* Edit > View > Display > Render Grid Behind Objects.
For now it works really nice but it does not work with transparent objects may be when you make item #4 it will fix it.
It may take some time. I need to learn new stuff before I can implement it.
10. You should be able to do that if you press a selection key(Shift etc) then LMB + RMB.
Now it fires on RMB UP but have to fire on RMB Down.
Also sometimes after this operation LMB is not released it stay down.
Why you want it on mouse down.
It could be your mouse problem. It never happen to me.
4. Perpendicular to workplane. Make it pleas work in Ortho Top view? Now it works in Perspective 3D.
We need it in 99% in ortho but now you have to enable/disable Ortho manually. Also it have to Reset Camera UP-Vector automatically when you leave Orhto Top.
Don't understand.
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Can you show it in a picture and specify what is the current behavior and what is your expectation.
(https://monosnap.com/file/xB7LJ0HKPsUhrxpLURuF0HyMlkwqA8.png)
Can you change On Viewport Navigating to On Preview.
So if you turn off Preview enabled, marked options will not work.
It may take some time. I need to learn new stuff before I can implement it.
We will wait no problem! It is very important feature!
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Why you want it on mouse down.
It could be your mouse problem. It never happen to me.
I just investigate a bit more and the problem is:
When all SL tools are OFF (LMB+RMB):
1. It atcivates if you LMB+RMB and Releas RMB first.
2. It atcivates if you LMB+RMB and Releas LMB first.
When SL tool is ON (Shift+RMB+RMB):
1. It atcivates only if you LMB+RMB and Releas RMB first.
2. Do not work. Fix it pleas.
As you can see you can not activate it when you releas LMB first. I just notice that it works differently but thought it was because RMB UP.
4. Now when you switch Viewport Layouts, Two views, Three Views etc... NVil make active last layout. Can you make pleas Nvil to make active the biggest layout? If all layout are equal non of them will be active.
Like this:
(https://monosnap.com/file/f7Py79Lt2EkEeOyCGc80nxYs6kk1K7.png)
(https://monosnap.com/file/rMLyXKLzeVwEJoiGwoGk9yL1BvHdOQ.png)
(https://monosnap.com/file/7vMKCH9hd7DoSGRVIPuuRcz66Kuhba.png)
6. When you launch NVil with Grid turned OFF Axis Grid shows partially.
Like this:
(https://monosnap.com/file/mtA17yCwfO65m0I7BMQd9CWSFfVTAV.png)
But have to be like this:
(https://monosnap.com/file/NqODOhYnmRBiJuvXq2YaKc7798ksg3.png)
7. Hide Subobject Selection On Preview.
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http://www.digitalfossils.com/Download/NVil-Jan-24-16.rar
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7. Hide Subobject Selection On Preview.
Not possible.
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Many thanks!!!
Show Grid Axis do not work :( Grid axis are invisible.
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Is grid visible? If grid hidden, grid axis will be invisible.
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Pleas make it work independently? We need it first of all to have orientation when grid is off or workplane is set to something.
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6. When you launch NVil with Grid turned OFF Axis Grid shows partially.
Like this:
(https://monosnap.com/file/mtA17yCwfO65m0I7BMQd9CWSFfVTAV.png)
But have to be like this:
(https://monosnap.com/file/NqODOhYnmRBiJuvXq2YaKc7798ksg3.png)
What does it mean?
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Loks like we do not understand each other :)
This request was only about Grid Axis size.
When you launch NVil with grid turned OFF, Grid axis have half size(first image).
But when you launch NVil with grid ON, Grid axis have size as it have to be (second image).
We need it to have full size in all cases not only when grid is ON.
(https://monosnap.com/file/vQeQVhsfz5S0DjyOaYy28KyybAuNJg.png)
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IStonia - Sorry if we do not understand each other in some nuances here :)
Preview enabled - Now it activates as soon as you activate it but it has to activates only on Viewport Navigation.
Also Preview Enable Toggle now activates immediately as you fire it, but it must be activated only when you navigate viewport.
Idea of Preview was to quickly preview model when you navigate viewport. In my previous request we changed a lot of commands from On Viewport Navigation to On Preview, to control them by Preview enabled.
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Try this
http://www.digitalfossils.com/Download/NVil-Jan-24-16.rar
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Everything works superb!!! many thanks.
Just want to share with you how nice looks preview when you set - Preview in Inactive Viewport Enabled ON.
(https://monosnap.com/file/K0HjYB8hmOn7fFlvdlsgtXsX46Vg9o.png)
Check Views at right, I use them to preview model instantly! very nice feature.
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IStonia,
Can you pleas add option for this:
9. Now if you have Swap REPEAT LAST STEP with REPLACE SELECTION ON and SL tool is ON and you click on subobject NVil just creates Replace selection. Can you pleas disable it. So it will be possible to highlight subobjects but imposible to select them. To make selection you will press and hold Shift(Include selction) or Ctrl+Shift(Replace).
I experimented with this a lot and it have some advantages and disadvantages I would like to compare this behavior with previous side by side, to chose the best one.
Also Action Cancel Command do not work with SL tools and Composite tools.
Thanks!
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IStonia, I just thought that we sometimes make very advanced options, like I requested in previous post.
May be you will make tab in Preference window - Advanced. And we will put here all options that is not obvious for regular users to not mix them all together.
We can also put here: REPEAT LAST STEP with REPLACE SELECTION ON. And many others.
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http://www.digitalfossils.com/Download/NVil-Jan-28-16.rar
* Edit > Preference > Options > Swap REPEAT LAST STEP with HOTKEY-sELECT AT POINT on basic streamline tool.
Also Action Cancel Command do not work with SL tools and Composite tools.
What do you use "Action Cancel Command" on SL tools and Composite tools for?
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Hay IStonia,
If I understood right:
A. Swap REPEAT LAST STEP with SELECT AT POINT on basic streamline tool.
- Must work like it was before(NVil-Jan-23-16), so you can make selection without pressing selection hotkeys, you click on object/subobject and it selects it(replace selection).
B. Swap REPEAT LAST STEP with HOTKEY-SELECT AT POINT on basic streamline tool.
- Must work like after (NVil-Jan-23-16), so you can not make selection without pressing selection hotkeys.
B works as expected. A works the same as B(nothing changed) but have to works as it was before NVil-Jan-23-16.
PS
Wow, object transparency render in front of grid??? Do you finis it?
- Render grid behind objects does not work.
- Grid axis started to flicker when you mouse drag when SL tool is active.
- Hide grid axis on preview does not work.
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If I understood right:
A. Swap REPEAT LAST STEP with SELECT AT POINT on basic streamline tool.
- Must work like it was before(NVil-Jan-23-16), so you can make selection without pressing selection hotkeys, you click on object/subobject and it selects it(replace selection).
B. Swap REPEAT LAST STEP with HOTKEY-SELECT AT POINT on basic streamline tool.
- Must work like after (NVil-Jan-23-16), so you can not make selection without pressing selection hotkeys.
Did you check A and B at the same time? You can only check one of them.
- Render grid behind objects does not work.
- Grid axis started to flicker when you mouse drag when SL tool is active.
- Hide grid axis ob preview do not work.
I can't see the problems on my side. Can you make a video to show them?
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Did you check A and B at the same time? You can only check one of them.
I tried it in all possible combinations does not work, check video. I send by email my config files.
I can't see the problems on my side. Can you make a video to show them?
- Render grid behind objects works! I was wrong! It does not work with Workplane(I have workplane enabled instead grid). Can you pleas modify this option like this - Render Grid and Workplane behind objects.
- Hide grid axis on preview work! I was wrong! It does not work in inactive preview when Preview in inactive view is enabled. (I just looked at inactive view and thought that it does not work On Preview.
- Grid axis started to flicker when you mouse drag when SL tool is active, check it in Video.
Video:
http://take.ms/K09ll
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http://www.digitalfossils.com/Download/NVil-Jan-28-16.rar
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Works great!
Absolutely amazing shading!!! Many thanks!!! :)
(https://monosnap.com/file/9d2DUxbLjpU2ZjRmOcFZEi1j4z1Teq.png)
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IStonia, I just thought that we sometimes make very advanced options, like I requested in previous post.
May be you will make tab in Preference window - Advanced. And we will put here all options that is not obvious for regular users to not mix them all together.
We can also put here: REPEAT LAST STEP with REPLACE SELECTION ON. And many others.
Can you sort out what are those advanced options?
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Yep, I'll prepare list on days.
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This is list of commands for Experimental Tab in Edit > Preference
(https://monosnap.com/file/NvDllQ6u1up1mi3eN5qZvDhVnEdJc6.png)
Also I think we have to include these commands too:
(https://monosnap.com/file/Vm3hWi4Lz7H9K6wg1PXAnuPiEd5ndS.png)