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  • Spline
November 12, 2013, 02:58:55 am
Think performance on the CPU should be worked on first, cuda and opencl dont work on all gpus.
For example 3DCoat including a few .exe - CPU and GPU. Also it's will can to do for NVil.

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It is a combination of not being as optomized and that c# isn't as fast as c++ performance wise.
C# is not best choice for a heavy software. I hate this technology =).  But - no c# -> no NVil

Can you be more specific as to what viewport performance issues you are having?
rubberDuck above wrote about it. I'm don't played with a big number of polygons. Now i'm subdivided my ex-ussr(not finished) car under 11000 poly and when i zooming -> a lags.

For me another is important: 100% cpu even if i just clicking on the viewport.
there are 3 of variants:
1. My PC is very very old - Athlon64 3000, 2.5 gb, 8600gt
2. A bug in NVil
3. the .NET technology.

OR 1+2+3 =)
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  • Polygon
November 13, 2013, 11:16:20 am
Now i'm subdivided my ex-ussr(not finished) car under 11000 poly and when i zooming -> a lags.
11000 polygons is not really a lot of polygons for a sub-d modeler.

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1. My PC is very very old - Athlon64 3000, 2.5 gb, 8600gt
Unfortunately, we still do not know the minimal or recommended hardware for Nvil.


I do have a single core Athlon64 system boxed away. I will get it out at weekend and have look to see what Nvil is doing on that hardware.

What windows OS are you using?

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  • Spline
November 13, 2013, 12:36:35 pm
What windows OS are you using?

WinXP SP3

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Now i'm subdivided my ex-ussr(not finished) car under 11000 poly and when i zooming -> a lags.
more precise:
a little lags when i zooming. When i rotating all OK.
I have a realy weak PC and I have no complaints :) I wrote it only for:
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For me another is important: 100% cpu even if i just clicking on the viewport.
If there is a bug, fixing it can affect performance of NVil and on(to?) other PC.
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November 13, 2013, 12:42:22 pm
a little lags when i zooming. When i rotating all OK.

Which zoom function do you use?

Alt + RMB
MMW (wheel on mouse)
view window corner navigation option with RMB

or is it the same problem which ever zoom you use?


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  • Spline
November 13, 2013, 01:08:01 pm
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Unfortunately, we still do not know the minimal or recommended hardware for Nvil.
I think that my PC / any Celeron -> minimal hardware =)

Which zoom function do you use?

I tested again (all the 3 of variants).

A little lags(when rotating also, but rarely/) happening when using CPU amount to 90-100%

Hm..Interesting that peak of CPU happening when i just moving a mouse under clear(empty) viewport (i created a new scene).

summary: The weak PC or bug in NVil.

---update---
1. Increased subdivide under 23500 poly
2. Maximized a "perspective viewport" - ok
3. Enabled a four viewport -> zooming in-> zooming out -> quick rotating (alt+LMB) ->a little lag


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November 13, 2013, 02:28:14 pm
It may be your GPU(Graphics card).

What % of your GPU is being used while rotating/zooming view?
(you can use MSI afterburner http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm to check).

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November 13, 2013, 03:55:24 pm
It may be your GPU(Graphics card).

What % of your GPU is being used while rotating/zooming view?
(you can use MSI afterburner http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm to check).

Thanks steve for idea. Recently i have a strange problems with video (using GPU for acceleration). I checked the videocard some a program. Tomorrow I will try the afterburner and will install a other drivers.
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November 14, 2013, 05:33:36 pm
I tested the my 8600GT in MSI Afterburner(Kombastor).
Results:
Max temp in Kombastor - 65C . Time of test - 45min.


Temp in NVIL - ~45C .
Max GPU load - 40% when rotate/zoom 93500 poly

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A new test -> new information:



* Selected = my object is selected
  No Selected  = not selected

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The selected object or no, but a CPU always 95-98%

Maybe bug/no optimization in NVil when select a object?
« Last Edit: November 14, 2013, 08:01:39 pm by molebox »
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November 14, 2013, 08:11:36 pm
Hi molebox,

What .net framework do you have installed?

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November 14, 2013, 08:30:48 pm
Hi steve.

I have a .NET 1.1  , 3.5 SP1 , 4

offtop:
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November 14, 2013, 08:58:53 pm
Do you have just 1 object in the scene? If you have more than one, have you tried turning off "View > Object Shading > Show Edge On Unselected"?

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November 14, 2013, 09:21:18 pm
Do you have just 1 object in the scene? If you have more than one, have you tried turning off "View > Object Shading > Show Edge On Unselected"?
Hi Vaquero.
I have one object in the scene - body of car (366 poly) which i subdivided as wrote above.

May be IStonia will read the thread.

Vaquero, I am satisfied with the performance of NVil. Just may be I help it to increase =)
« Last Edit: November 14, 2013, 09:27:49 pm by molebox »
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November 14, 2013, 09:27:17 pm
offtop:
If I press "Quick Reply" on the forum then i get the error :
"Your web browser's request contained old or corrupted cookies..bla-bla ...and other malware. Then clear your cookies for the site you were visiting."

Return back in browser and press "Reply" under a message - all ok..
Do you have such problem?

Hi molebox,

I have not seen that. I clear my browser cache each time I close it.

Which browser are you using, and do you clear your cache?


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November 14, 2013, 09:34:01 pm
I have a .NET 1.1  , 3.5 SP1 , 4

Thanks for all the info.

I set up on a:-
AMD64 3800+ (2.39)
2GB ram
(onboard) Radeon HD 4200

When switching between view rotate(alt+LMB) and Zoom(alt+RMB) I was seeing a delay of about 0.5 to 1 second before view would rotate or zoom. But once view was rotating or zooming there was no lag. Are you seeing similar?


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November 14, 2013, 09:40:20 pm
Which browser are you using, and do you clear your cache?

I use chrome. I was cleared the cookies, cache.
Try a next message to write with "Quick Reply".

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I set up on a:-
AMD64 3800+ (2.39)
Where did you get such a rarity? ;D
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When switching between view rotate(alt+LMB) and Zoom(alt+RMB) I was seeing a delay of about 0.5 to 1 second before view would rotate or zoom. But once view was rotating or zooming there was no lag. Are you seeing similar?
exactly! =)
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