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General Category => NVILL Discussion => Topic started by: samardac on August 01, 2016, 11:29:45 am
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Hay guys, this is project we are working on with IStonia for a last year - www.rocket3f.com
Site is still under development and Beta will be availible soon, for now you can create an account and we will send you email when Beta will be released.
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The website makes a good first impression. For my taste it could feature some 3D-Models at the top, to instantly know what it's about, not just the large display you have to scroll down to.
So a question: It's called 3F because it's fast, fun and FREE? On the website it states a few times it would be free, but then there's a paid version? Please clarify.
Another question: One of Nvils weakest features is UV Mapping, will it be improved to match the modelling capabilities?
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So is this just another rebranding? Voidworld > NVil > Rocket3F?
Or will the development of NVil stop?
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The website makes a good first impression. For my taste it could feature some 3D-Models at the top, to instantly know what it's about, not just the large display you have to scroll down to.
Do you mean to move showcase module up?
(https://monosnap.com/file/JmXYxx7Ai4gMmOOKbAsv4s1PO1iDqp.png)
o a question: It's called 3F because it's fast, fun and FREE? On the website it states a few times it would be free, but then there's a paid version? Please clarify.
Yes, it will have 2 versions, Free and Paid.
Free version will be absolutely fully functional, you just will have to wait about 8 seconds everytime you launch software to start to work, also you will have partial, very small access to the forum, tutorials, blog and other site stuff and you will have no access to the instant help and support.
Another question: One of Nvils weakest features is UV Mapping, will it be improved to match the modelling capabilities?
Version 1.0 will have no any UV tools. As I understood it is very complex problem that need time to dig into it. We will see people reaction if there will be a lot of requests about it we will think what we can do in other versions.
So is this just another rebranding? Voidworld > NVil > Rocket3F?
Or will the development of NVil stop?
No, it is not rebranding, it is just different piece of software. The main philosophy of it is to have little amount of tools that was absolutely polished to have fastest and simplest workflow right out of the box.
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Thanks for the clarification. You should really see to it that you couple it with a good EULA (End User License Agreement) this time. Because NVil's is really weak.
As for the website: Yes, move it up, make it slimmer from top to bottom, and overlay some text for the features. Don't get me wrong: The stylized artwork looks great, but it doesn't instantly tell me what kind of software I have in front of me.
Here are some examples:
http://pixologic.com/zbrush/features/ZBrush4R7/ 3D-Artwork and in one sentence what it's about.
http://www.autodesk.com/ 3D-Artwork overlayed with click-bait.
http://3dcoat.com/home/ 3D-Slideshow overlayed with short text about features
https://clara.io/ same as above
https://www.lightwave3d.com/ slideshow with offers and showcases
http://nevercenter.com/silo/ this I don't like much, because it's too much, but it's all 3D stuff
http://natron.fr/ nice shot of the softare GUI overlayed with short about text
https://www.nukeygara.com/ Even though there's no 3D-art or GUI shot, it says "designed for animators"
That's what I'm missing on the homepage. It's not just Fast, Fun and Free, it's primarily a pure polygon modelling software.
Your about section should be about the software. What's currently there should follow underneath or even have it's own "company" section.
I hope it's constructive criticism and you don't have to take it into consideration.
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Many thanks for ideas, I will see what I can do.
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Will Nvil have any simplified UI made with all the new tools it has been having? I've seen you using some nice simple looking layout in some of your videos and I thought they might come with Nvil someday...
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I would like to have seen a small video of Rocket3F in action so as to get an idea of what it actually does.
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I would like to have seen a small video of Rocket3F in action so as to get an idea of what it actually does.
Rocket 3F will have a lot of videos, they will be created during Beta period, for now there are a lot of work to finish to release Beta.
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(...) will the development of NVil stop?
Good question. Will NVil still be developed or it's EOL for it once Rocket3F comes out?
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When there will be a beta?
Itching to try it!
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Rocket is ready, now we are working on creating conection system with server.
Last date is 1st september.
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Excited to try this!!!!
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Hay, Beta is availible!
https://rocket3f.com/updates/23-beta
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When registering, the accept "Terms and Conditions" link gives a 404 error!
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I'm also startled, that you send the user password unencrypted via e-mail (2 times!), which makes me think the passwords are laying around somewhere unencrypted and you have access to them? Just a security concern.
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When registering, the accept "Terms and Conditions" link gives a 404 error!
Thanks, will be fixed asap.
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The installer is giving my virus scan a hard time, so I sent the file to them to mark it as a false positive.
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I'm also startled, that you send the user password unencrypted via e-mail (2 times!), which makes me think the passwords are laying around somewhere unencrypted and you have access to them? Just a security concern.
2 times? Can you make screen of that emails? It have to send pass only once, when you created account while subscribe for the first time.
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The installer is giving my virus scan a hard time, so I sent the file to them to mark it as a false positive.
What antivirus you use? Installer is only 1 MB why it scan so hard?
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Installed and ran fine for me. I have a question though and I don't mean to cause any offense with this...but... This just appears to be nVil obfuscated behind a custom gui that's way less flexible and customzable than standard nVil. Can anyone explain why I would want this? Also, are we still going to get updates for nVil?
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Installed and ran fine for me. I have a question though and I don't mean to cause any offense with this...but... This just appears to be nVil obfuscated behind a custom gui that's way less flexible and customzable than standard nVil. Can anyone explain why I would want this? Also, are we still going to get updates for nVil?
Rocket 3F is not replacement of NVil it is just another additional tool that you can use in your workflow to speed up your modelling proces.
Rocket 3F was made with one logic in mind to be very fast in modeling, so when you using it you will think about creativity not about technical stuff.
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Installed and ran fine for me. I have a question though and I don't mean to cause any offense with this...but... This just appears to be nVil obfuscated behind a custom gui that's way less flexible and customzable than standard nVil. Can anyone explain why I would want this? Also, are we still going to get updates for nVil?
Rocket 3F is not replacement of NVil it is just another additional tool that you can use in your workflow to speed up your modelling proces.
Rocket 3F was made with one logic in mind to be very fast in modeling, so when you using it you will think about creativity not about technical stuff.
Ok great, glad to hear it! I can certainly see why it might be more approachable than nVil for new users, but I'm not seeing what makes it faster yet. I look forward to seeing the tutorials:)
Thanks for the response.
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I downloaded Rocket 3F but I find the interface very bright, but I cannot seem to find the preferences so I can change the color scheme.
1/ Is this possible?
if so
2 where is the Preference menu?
Thanks in advance.
When will the tutorials be up ?
I like the look of the programme and want to get a good grip on it before the Beta trial runs out.
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Hay Philem,
Rocket for now have only one light color scheme also program have no any prefference menu. Everything was hardly tuned to have the best possible result.
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I downloaded Rocket 3F but I find the interface very bright, but I cannot seem to find the preferences so I can change the color scheme.
1/ Is this possible?
if so
2 where is the Preference menu?
Thanks in advance.
When will the tutorials be up ?
I like the look of the programme and want to get a good grip on it before the Beta trial runs out.
Forget to say, I will start to create tutorials nex week.
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Been playing around with Rocket 3F, nice job!
Thanks :)
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Been playing around with Rocket 3F, nice job!
Thanks :)
You are welcome!
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I downloaded a demo yesterday. Love the user interface but I noticed it doesn't have some of the advanced features like Nvil. Now IF only Nvil had a simple, clean interface like Rocket3F or Rocket3F had some of Nvil's advanced it would be a winner. I presently model with Hexagon3D 2.5, Silo3D 2.3 Pro 64bit, 3DCoat 4.7, Groboto3D & Wings3D. I render in Vue Complete.
My playtime with Rocket3F was very pleasurable and easy to move about unlike Nvil...
Will there be an upgrade path from Rocket3F to Nvil as I noticed Rocket3F is 20 Euro's cheaper.
Cheers
Ken
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hay Kenmo, thanks for comments.
No, there is no option to upgrade from Rocket to NVil, we did not discus it.
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kenmo, you could actually customize the UI of Nvil to match Rocket3f. All the functionality is there, it just requires time to do.
I already have an established workflow which is why I do not use Rocket3f, but then it was never intended for a user like myself.
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IMHO that is the biggest turn off for Nvil. Most people customize the UI after they are quite comfortable with the toolset. Nvil works in the reverse. You customize the toolset before you are comfortable in Nvil.
IMHO this is quite stupid and one of the biggest turnoffs with Nvil. The UI of Wings3D, Hexagon3D, Silo3D are so intuitive a newbie in 3D modeling is quite comfortable. In the past I tried Truepace, Blender and ZBrush and hated them very much because of the confusing interface. Nvil's UI is not much better.
Once you get used to it 3DCoat's UI is quite easy. I've tried Nvil and I have no idea of what tools are and where they are located. So I have no idea (and no interest) in customizing the UI.
Rocket 3F has a great UI. But because I'm not well versed in Nvil, I really don't know (other than UI) how they are different.
In Hexagon3D 2.5 I use the "extract" command quite a bit to extract a face. In Rocket 3F I can't seem to locate and I have no idea if it's in Nvil.
The UI of Nvil looks like it was designed by someone on LSD or drunk. The UI of Rocket 3F appears to be designed by a competent 3D modeller with the end user's experience in consideration....
Is there a comparision chart of what tools are available and not available in Rocket 3F vs Nvil?
Sorry if I seem cranky but as someone who works daily in computer network support for 30+ years), in my spare time I just want to create digital art and not pull my hair. I do enough of that fighting with Windows Server during the day....
Cheers
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Well, I am not on LSD nor drunk. People can think and move in different ways. There has been so many Nvil users can figure it out how to use it themselves with little help. Even some of them are not very good in English.
I just give you some tips here and hope it will help.
--Most of the tools and options are located in
View > Customize > Tools.
Your can also access this tool by pressing down "End" key then open the top menu and click a tool.
--Those options that are not changed often are in
View > Customize > Preference.
--To customize steamline tools
View > Customize > StreamLine Tools.
--To Customize radial menus
View > Customize > Radial menus.
--To search for a tool
View > Window > Tool Search Window.
Input the key word like "Extrude" and you will get a list of related tools. Hover cursor over a tool and the tool's description will appear on top of the window. You can left click to fire the tool. You can also right click the tool to bring up a context menu which provides options you can do on this tool.
--A few tools can only be accessed in top menus. like this one
View > Top Menu Visible Hotkey
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Rocket is impossible to customize any settings, hotkey or streamline tools. Preferances are hidden, and creating custom tools is hidden.
The fastest way to learn Nvil is to make tool search visible, it works in realtime and you can pin any button in the search.
Streamline tools, always have a popup explaining what mouse button does what.
So if you want to extrude, just search window. Same goes for bevel, chamfer, etc etc. Eventually you make hotkeys or custom windows.
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I'll ask a second time...
"Is there a comparision chart of what tools are available and not available in Rocket 3F vs Nvil?"
If I'm going to pay close to $100 Canadian for NVil and I must customize the UI because I find the stock UI confusing, a better option would be to use Blender3D. The UI is a mess but a least there are lots of tutorials available. And I'm not paying $100 to fight with an UI I dislike.
And I am NOT interested in customizing an UI. I simply want one that is simple and easy to use. Nvil's is not. It's a mess. Rocket 3F is very easy to use.
So is there a comparision chart of what tools are available and not available in Rocket 3F vs Nvil? I think this is an honest question and deserves to be answered.
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There is no such chart.
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That should be a prerequisite to assist people in purchasing the right tool. Also an upgrade price from Rocket 3F to NVil should be mandatory if Rocket 3F is missing features or tools of NVil.
Until a comparison chart is available what are the differences between the two and please no catchy marketing response that Rocket 3F is aimed at artists and Nvil is for pro 3D modelers. What are the differences?
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Don't think you are talking to a big company with rich human resources. I am the only developer here and I work on this project in my spare time. There are hundreds of tools and options. I don't think it is practical to create a difference chart between the two versions.
Rocket 3F is a special version of Nvil. It is customized in a way that the customizer thinks it is the best organizing base on his modeling knowledge and experience. Basically Rocket is not customizable. So it is only suitable for people who find it easy to adapt to its fixed workflow.
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Try my customized theme:
http://samardac.com/nvil-forum/index.php/topic,2236.msg7072.html#msg7072
For $100 you are getting a competitive modeling app that despite the ui, has a faster workflow then apps that cost you hundreds, per month to rent.
Istonia has faithfully kept Nvil updated over the years, to make sure it has not become dated. Getting monthly updates actually makes the app quite cutting edge.
Nvil has a small user base, so tutorials are lacking, but a lot of the success of the app is base on this community.
First step to learning Nvil is using the Tool Search, and hotkeys and not depend on the drop down menues.
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So both have the same features and tool sets? The only difference is Rocket 3F has non customizable UI?
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I can't say yes or no. In Rocket 3F, some features are not exposed to users. The purpose is to make its UI simple but good enough. The amount of tools in NVil is huge. Some tools are for special needs, for example the manual normal tools and vertex color tools, some people may never have the need to use them.
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Can't say yes or no? But you are the developer of both. If you don't know, than who does?
Not trying to be rude, just confused...And I don't understand your vague responses.
I also realize this is a small venture not unlike Darrell Anderson's Groboto3D which recently halted due to his bout with cancer.
IMHO you are doing a great diservice to Nvil by not spending a bit of time on polishing the UI. The tutorials I was looking for would be more specific to the Nvil (navigating, tools, tips, ect) than modeling. Once confortable with the tools I suspect tutorials for Wings3D, Hexagon, Silo would be useful to a Nvil user.
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Behind the UI, yes they have the same toolsets. But Rocket 3F hides some tools so user can not access them through its UI. That's why I can't say yes.
Nvil's default navigation is the same as Silo. Alt + LMB = Rotate, Alt + MMB = Pan, Alt + RMB = Zoom. I have shown you where and how you can find tools in my previous posts.
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Sorry but I won't belabor this point any longer as I'm sure both of us have better things to attend to. However I am quite confused why you will not give a reply to an honest question. I'm sure I'm not the only potential "customer" who would like to know what the differences are between your two products...
Cheers
Ken
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Is the Rocket3F website down? I have not been able to reach all day....
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I move it to new server, to day it will work.
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Still not working but it's quite early in eastern Canada - 8:30AM...
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Everything is working now!
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Hay guys some new videos I made for Rocket 3F, may be usefull for NVil too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd39As_ci20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUYkJFxw-Oo
Youtube chanel with a lot of other videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxJIYl9qcwyCSakhVC0vuvQ?spfreload=5
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Hay guys some new videos I made for Rocket 3F, may be usefull for NVil too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd39As_ci20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUYkJFxw-Oo
Youtube chanel with a lot of other videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxJIYl9qcwyCSakhVC0vuvQ?spfreload=5
Hi Samardac.
Thank you very much again for these very useful and needed tutorials!
Long awaited...
These tuts are also a BIG benefit for NVIL's users!!
See you.
- Marco (mkdm)
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So besides the nice-looking interface, what are the principle differences between Rocket Pro and Nvil? It appears most of the videos delineate the differences between Free, Basic and Pro versions of Rocket. I have an Nvil license, I'm just wondering what features does Rocket have that would warrant an additional $185 USD. Thanks.
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I think you'll find the same tools in 3F as Nvil.
What 3F offers is having those tools polished to have fastest and simplest workflow right out of the box and much nicer, easier to use & well thought out custom interface.
The Pro version of 3F allows you to customise its interface further if you wish with the same customise tools that are in Nvil.
You can read more about the differences between 3F versions here https://www.rocket3f.com/getrocket3f/330-get-it
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Thanks for the info. The differences between the various versions of Rocket 3F is well explained on Samardac's site. That I have no problems understanding. The only thing that is really mentioned is that Rocket 3F is NVil 'on steroids'. So essentially the 'steroids' is a more polished workflow for $185 USD , if I understand it correctly.
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Thanks for the info. The differences between the various versions of Rocket 3F is well explained on Samardac's site. That I have no problems understanding. The only thing that is really mentioned is that Rocket 3F is NVil 'on steroids'. So essentially the 'steroids' is a more polished workflow for $185 USD , if I understand it correctly.
Yes workflow first of all and it includs, UI, custom tools, hotkeys, and other stuff.
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OK, I like the workflow you've established. I purchased the Pro version. 8)
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Hay, Rocket 3F is on Sale!!!
Check it:
https://www.rocket3f.com/getrocket3f/428-black-friday-sale-2017
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Hay guys! Rocket 3F version 1.4 is here, huge updates!!!
https://www.rocket3f.com/kunena/updates/439-version-1-4
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Hay!
We glad to let you know that we just released new version of Rocket 3F!
In new 1.5 version Render was introduced!!!
Now Rocket 3F Basic version is absolutely free!!!
Also price was dropped and Pro version costs now only 79 EUR!!!
Details are here:
https://www.rocket3f.com/kunena/updates/479-version-1-5
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Hay, 1.6 version is here!
Updates: Push Pull, Ambient Occlusion, Auto Save, etc...
Check video overview:
https://youtu.be/m18zRlQsyJc
Also you can check how new Push Pull works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Nf-rZ34oI
For more details click here:
https://www.rocket3f.com/kunena/updates/491-version-1-6
Happy modeling
Rocket 3F