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General Category => Bug Reports => Topic started by: Tiles on November 27, 2012, 06:47:09 pm
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After having a crash while fiddling around with the fonds in the User Toolbars i stumbled across this behaviour. The font for the Window influences the font settings of the groups in the window. The window font, which is what i want to change, stays unchanged though.
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Dock panel's font is customizable now. It is not possible to set them individaully.
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I don`t understand. Does this mean this menu item is obsolete?
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No. The 'View > Windows > Appearance' is a new menu item. It has nothing to do with user tool bars, because it affects all windows.
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I see. Thanks.
Well what should it do then? At the moment it just seems to change some fonts of some groups in the currently selected user toolbar. There`s not really a pattern to find.
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Hi Tiles,
The "View > Windows > Appearance" changes the font on the top of the tool_bars (all of them). It does appear to work correctly on my setup.
Here I made a quick change to show example:-
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So it should change the font of the title of the windows. But it doesn not do that here. It changes the font of a group instead. That`s why i ask :)
Hm, maybe this has something to do with drag n drop? I´ve dragged the groups from one window to another.
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I just made some changes to my user_tool_bars by drag`n`drop, but still not currently seeing the problem.
Have you checked to see if you have the same problem with a new set of preference files?
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Thanks for checking :)
Sure. The shot in the first posting is from a blank preference. And i`ve just checked with the newest version now too. Still the same.
Hm, what is left then? Differences in the windows installation or version jumps into my mind here. I have a german up to date Win 7, 64 Bit Home Premium here.
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Tiles, I suspect that you use the wrong menu item. It is from the main app menu, not the context menu in the user tool window. "View > Windows > Apperance".
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Erm, i have provided a screenshot to show which menu i mean, which menu i have trouble with. See first post. So if even, isn`t it you that is talking about the wrong one then? :)
I talk about the right click menu that can be called from the user toolbars. And here the menu item Window/Appearance/Font.
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Yes, the right click one is the wrong one. It lets you set the group font "at window level". It's not for the window caption font.
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"Wrong" in terms of "i know, this item is deprecated, just ignore, i will remove it" , or "Wrong" in terms of "i talk about something completely different" ? You confuse me :D
Okay, i will ignore this item. I´ve reported it, that`s all i can do anyways. Thanks :)
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It is a hierarchy thing. It works like this
if group 'caption font'/'font' is set, it will be used.
otherwise if window level font is set, it will be used.
otherwise system default font will be used.
With window level font setting, you don't have to set group font one by one. Only if you want a group font to be different from others, you can set it at group level. Is that understandable?
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Thanks for the closer explanation.
Hmm. I start to understand how it is meant, yes. And have to say that it is pretty confusing. A item that is sorted under windows but influences groups doesn`t make much sense. Especially since the groups have their own font settings. And especially because i don`t have influence what group`s fonts gets changed then. It`s pretty random here.
I doubt that anybody will ever use the tool in the way you want them to. For me a case for the scissor :)
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And have to say that it is pretty confusing.
You wanted lots of configuration options, ya got um. Unfortunately it can make it complex. (the old saying:- "Be careful what you wish for")
A item that is sorted under windows but influences groups doesn`t make much sense. Especially since the groups have their own font settings. And especially because i don`t have influence what group`s fonts gets changed then.
It does actually give you full control, but you need to see how the priority of the settings work. It`s pretty random here.
It can appear random. You probably need to go in to tool_bar configuration and reset all the group tool_bar fonts, once they are all reset you can control them all from the higher level (not in customization) RMB (in a custom tool_bar) window-> Appearance -> Font.
I doubt that anybody will ever use the tool in the way you want them to. For me a case for the scissor :)
The addition of the tool_bars and the various configuration options have been added per your requests.
I am currently seeing no problem with the tool_bar configurations, although due to the different level options, it can be confusing.
If you still cannot sort the tool_bar config later, I will put together a post to try and help. (it will be better with some screen_grabs which will be better than trying to fully explain in words)
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Poor iStonia to have me. Yeah, i`m the guilty one. But i never requested confusion :P
Hm. Nevertheless. The dilemma starts where a feature is getting so complex that you cannot really use it in an intuitive, self explaining way anymore. And that`s the case here. Fix it or not is the question now.
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Tiles, please use the latest update and follow these steps.
1. Clear all group individual settings so window level setting can take effect.
Window > Appearance > Reset All Individual Group Font.
Window > Appearance > Reset All Individual Group Title Font.
2. Set window level font setting.
Window > Appearance > Group Font.
Now all group titles and buttons should have the same font.
3. Set Window level group title font setting. If you don't use button text or you want the group title and button text to have the same font, you can ignore this setting.
Window > Appearance > Group Title Font.
4. Set individual group title font. Only if you want a group to have different title font from the others.
Group > Group Title Font.
5. Reset individual group title font. If later you change your mind and want a group's title font to use the window level font instead of its idividual title font.
Group > Reset Group Title Font.
Anyway, the more control options you want, the more confusion will occur. That's inevitable. But the underline logic flow is pretty simple. If a child's property is not set, it will use its parent's property. If the 'Title Font' is not set, the 'Font' will be used. If nothing is set, system default will be used.
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Anyway, the more control options you want, the more confusion will occur. That's inevitable.
Not necessarily. I would`ve solved it in another way and would have simplified it by simply leaving away the global option to set the font for everything at once. It`s more than enough that the user can edit the group and window font at a individual base. It`s not that the user changes the layout at a daily base. Nearly all of them will most probably never ever touch it. Tinkering around with the layout is something for the cracks like me. But anyways. That`s just my personal opinion about it :)
And thanks for the explanation :)