Complete Iconset for Nvil inside

does it need marks at all,......

I would say no.

If such is added, then only as an option I could disable please.

Thanks for the feedback

Tiles, don't bother to make red spot for mouse click indication. This is a hideous thing to do. I will add a automatic feature to draw that base on the mouse click settings. My plane is

Too late, already done. Seems that some of the work of the last days was for the birds then, heh. Hm, on the other hand, wouldn´t it save some drawcalls when the red triangle is already in the graphics?

Anyways. No problem. The icons are quickly changed back to the non marked ones once your feature is avaiable. Shouldn`t take more than an hour. That`s why the full iconset is available. The main work was to union the buttons here, and to sort it a bit to make me a bigger picture of what is what

I would say no.

If such is added, then only as an option I could disable please.

I find it very important to point to hidden functionality. And a MMB or RMB clicks at a button is somehow hidden functionality. Usually you click with lmb at a button.

Nothing to say against an option here though

When you add a tool to a button that needs to be accessed with RMB, then it is hidden. The common way is to click with the left mouse button at a button. You would be surprised how much people would miss the MMB and RMB functionality when you don`t mark it somehow. The red triangle is just a small hint. But it is nevertheless better than no hint at all. It`s a proven method too. trueSpace has marked its buttons with more than LMB functionality by triangles for years.

Look at it this way: I have created such a custom toolbar now by myself, and have placed some hidden functionality to be accessed with MMB and RMB. That´s Version 3 which i have uploaded yesterday. And that`s why i have marked those buttons then with a red triangle. To show myself which buttons have MMB and RMB functionality

And just to prevent misunderstandings. There is still the full set available where every button just has LMB functionality and just one tool. Where nothing is hidden. And here you can still do what you want. You can still decide to grab your buttons from there.

Version 3 is just another milestone where you can start to build your own toolbars from. A set where buttons with equal functionality are unioned into one button where possible. Which saves you again some time towards your own toolbars. Like Undo for example. LMB for undo, RMB to call the Undo Stack, and MMB to perform Camera Undo. And this button has of course now two red triangles to show that you can not only click at it with the left mouse button. But also with MMB and RMB. And in case you don`t like it, then just load the original icon that gets provided with Nvil. But you still save the time to union the tools into this button, and to add the tooltips for it

Why would someone miss a functionality they have added?

Why are you so sure that everybody builds its own custom toolbars? From my experience this job is something for the cracks like you and me. While the rest of the users will simply use it as is. And that`s usually 99.9% of the users. So i take care that my toolbars can be used as is.

You appear to be drifting off into a custom toolbar to download with pre-made custom buttons with multiple mouse clicks. If you are doing that, then put the icons with that, so I do not need to keep downloading them/unpacking them and deleting them. Thanks.

I don`t get it why you are starting to become angry. The description clearly tells you what you get when you download the file. The set is not just for you especially. It`s for everybody. And somebody else may be happy with the choice. When you don`t need it then delete the toolbar with the merged buttons. It`s just an option.

Sure i drift towards custom toolbars. That`s the goal, isn`t it? I provide two basic toolbars now where you can start to work from. A full toolbar where every button has just one tool. And a full toolbar where some buttons are merged to reduce the number of buttons. This is not really custom, because i haven`t cared about layout and position here yet. But is a time saver towards your own custom toolbars. And it is no must use, it`s an option. Use it or not.

I will also provide a really custom toolbar set when done. As told, maybe even two. One that mimics the currently available toolbar layout. And one very custom where i put everything at the locations that i like. Depends of how much spare time i find.

I am not starting to become angry.

For me it sounded in that direction. Okay, so i have misunderstood it. Thanks for clarification.

I see you come out with that quite often when someone disagrees with you. Is that some sort of posturing to try and get others to agree with you?

Definitely not. But i have my points as you have your points. And we both get easily in heat it seems. Don`t stop to tell your points please. Even when it seems the opposite sometimes, i respect your opinion

As I put forward, if someone wants to use your toolbars, they will need to download them, so why not have the icons with that download.

No need to. The icons comes already with Nvil. Have a look into the Media folder in the Nvil installation direction. There is the Nvil Buttons folder with all the icons.

I want to keep it flexible. At my page there are separated downloads for everything. You have the toolbar version v1 where just the icons are available and no tool is connected. You have the toolbar v2 where the tools are connected with the buttons. You now have toolbar v3 where you have the choice to grab from the full set or the button reduced set. The icons just as graphics are avaialbe as an extra download too for everybody who wants to use them outside of Nvil. And i will keep it that way with the following custom usertoolbars too.

That way there`s something available for every flavour.

You cannot please everybody, unfortunately

Fixed. The red triangles are removed. I hope i`ve catched them all.

Updated version: http://www.reinerstilesets.de/ext/voidworld/UserButtonToolSettingsV3a.rar

Any further wishes? Shall i remove the tooltips too, now that there are the inbuilt ones gets displayed when the string is empty? On the other hand, mine are a bit more detailled here and there.

Yes, I know. I was talking of those icons. I have already downloaded them 19 times. Do I really need to keep downloading them with every NVIL update?

forget about it.
I have just removed the "Mouse action indication marks", but now find every button is pushing out a tooltip. F$%"£F*%##£%$%##s. Toolbars deleted.

There is an option to disable the tool-tip display in the button customize form.

Tiles,

Some icons still have the click marks.
'Edge Shortcut Tools' group, the two edge spin buttons.
'fit n view', hide guide line button.

The upper case and lower case in group names are not consistent.

The enabled mode settings are not correct for these groups
'Subobject Shortcut Tools'
'Subobject Shortcut Tools - Select'
'Subobject Shortcut Tools - Weld'
'Subobject Shortcut Tools - grow shrink'
'Polygon Shortcut Tools - select'
'Edge Shortcut Tools'
'SplineVertex Shortcut Tools'
Also some groups in 'All Tools' window.

Edit: The 'Snapping Enabled' button in 'general' group can go to 'snapping' group, I think.

Some stuff always makes it through. Thanks for the hints. I will have a look to fix the points as fast as possible

Fixed version 3 is gold:

http://www.reinerstilesets.de/ext/voidworld/UserButtonToolSettingsV3b.rar

Any further wishes?

Small update. I`ve created an icon for Reset all Views. Which means the Usertoolbar V3 got a third update. And the iconset of course too. I will leave the older versions of the Usertoolbars untouched since Usertoolbar V3 contains the V2 set already and V1 is of no big use anyways. And too much versions just leads to confusion. V3 is the one that i will keep maintaining.

http://www.reinerstilesets.de/ext/voidworld/UserButtonToolSettingsV3c.rar

http://www.reinerstilesets.de/ext/voidworld/Nvilbuttons_r3a.rar

Final steps. I´ve added the latest missing buttons. The mirrortool got a new icon. I had by accident used the one from the symmetry. And i have updated and reuploaded the files again:

Usertoolbar V3, 1.1 Mb http://www.reinerstilesets.de/ext/voidworld/UserButtonToolSettingsV3d.rar

All the icons as single graphics. 5.37 Mb http://www.reinerstilesets.de/ext/voidworld/Nvilbuttons_r3b.rar

I have also copied the current layout as good as possible, and have build a User toolbar pedant from it. That`s version 4. It contains the toolbars from version 3 too. You can delete them when you don`t want to go on with modifications.

1.11 Mb http://www.reinerstilesets.de/ext/voidworld/UserButtonToolSettingsV4a.rar

I said that i will build a own custom layout too. But that`s a thing of weeks, maybe months. That`s something that has to grow while working with Nvil. And i don`t want to go too far away from the default layout with the standard files anyways.

So that`s basically it. Hands up. I`m done with this stuff. What`s left is to have a close look if there are some quirks left. Fingers crossed

I found these buttons still have a red triangle

User Manipulation > Fit and View > Hide Guide Line Button
User Visual Tools > Edge Mode > the 2 Spin buttons

All Tools Union Buttons > Fit and View > Hide Guide Line Button
All Tools Union Buttons > the 2 Spin Buttons.

Ah, thanks. I had some trouble with some Nvil crashes. And at one point i even have lost all the icons. So i went back to a backup. Seems that some quirks made it through then.

Will fix it this evening

Mh, while at crashes. When i copy a group and paste it, and when i then try to delete one of the buttons then it sometimes shows odd behaviour. Normally the next button will move to the now empty position. But sometimes it doesn`t then. After this point it can lead to a crash a few actions later. And even when not, the buttons that i wanted to delete will come back after a restart. A restart before deleting buttons helps to resolve it. Now i can really delete it. Seems that something is blocking after pasting a group. What i do now is to close and reopen Nvil every time i copy and paste a group.