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October 08, 2012, 05:49:26 pm
I know you are not really happy about renaming wishes. Nevertheless, this one really bugs me. Doesn`t the "Reverse Marquee Selection Facing Intention" simply select backfaces with the front faces? If so, wouldn`t it be much better to simply call the tool Select Backfaces? That`s the common name out there for this kind of tool.
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October 08, 2012, 07:41:48 pm
Nevertheless, this one really bugs me. Doesn`t the "Reverse Marquee Selection Facing Intention" simply select backfaces with the front faces?

No, it is an option to change default selection method. You did at one time enable that option:- http://voidworld.cmcproductions.co.uk/index.php/topic,358.0.html

Have a look in the help file:- "Contents > Modeling > Selection Tools"

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October 09, 2012, 06:34:31 am
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No, it is an option to change default selection method

Yes. To select back faces too. And that`s called Select Backfaces then.
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October 09, 2012, 07:17:27 am
Yes. To select back faces too. And that`s called Select Backfaces then.

No, due to it changing default selection methods, it can also be used to "Do not select Backfaces"

Read the help file. "Contents > Modeling > Selection Tools"

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October 09, 2012, 07:36:51 am
I still disagree. All it does is to select back faces when active. For your "Do not select Backfaces" case the tool is simply off. Or better said you select with LMB instead of MMB by default. And there is no way to just select the back faces and not the front faces from what i can see nor is it described somewhere.

This is the only sentence in your given part of the manual when it comes to the Reverse Marquee Selection Facing Intention tool:

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By default, LMB marquee will do camera base selection while MMB marquee will do raycast selection. Reverse Marquee Selection Facing Intention shortcut tool can change this default behaviour.

I am curious where you read any other useage here.

But anways. Then let`s call it toggle backface select. Or Raycast selection. This term is even already included in the manual. Then still everybody knows what is meant.

"Reverse Marquee Selection Facing Intention" is a typical programmers name for something that he wasn`t sure of how to call it. Because he is an programmer and not an artist. Which is completely off from what is a common name for such a tool. And there are unfortunately lots of such names in Nvil.
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October 09, 2012, 08:45:55 am
This feature was suggested by polyxo. Imagine you have dragged out a lasso line and try to select the front facing faces then suddenly you realize you actual want is to do raycast selection. At this moment if you want to keep the lasso line instead of stoping and restarting again, you can just use this feature by pressing down its hotkey then carry on the operation. I think it only makes sense for complex selection and it happens to you often.

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October 09, 2012, 09:21:19 am
Actually i also want to be able to select the backfaces with non complex geometry. And selecting the backfaces too is a very common operation :)

That you can toggle the selection method while operation is just a additional benefit from what i can see. The tool itself is meant to select the backfaces, isn`t it?
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October 09, 2012, 10:16:33 am
Not realy, you can use MMB to select back face + front face.

It is not a tool precisely. It is an option flag. If you are selecting front face, it can let you change your operation from front face to 'front face + back face'. If your are selecting 'front face + back face', it will change it to front face only. 'Reverse', that's what it means.

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October 09, 2012, 10:35:37 am
When that`s the case, then we are back at toggle backface select as a useful and common name. Or toggle Raycast selection when you really consequently want to stay away from the common names(something that i still donĀ“t understand).

But it does not toggle here. And does not revert. I have to keep the hotkey pressed down to select the backfaces. I have customized it here because i use the MMB for rotation. And even with the standard settings i have to use another mouse button. And it does not toggle or revert neither. But selecting through, selecting the front faces and the backfaces.

Anyways, i don`t question the tool or its function, i question its very uncommon and hardly to understand name :)
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